Episode 337: Trey Campbell Commits

Breaking down the Runnin' Utes latest commitment from 5th year guard Trey Campbell and what it means for the rest of the roster. Plus, the Utah WBB releases its non-conference schedule. And, all the latest from the world of college basketball law & order. 

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All right. Welcome in. Welcome back. Super chick, the home of the last three chicken sandwiches. For a limited time only, Super Chick is giving you a chance to take the Caesar with its all new Caesar Chicken wrap. As always, you can chase that down with their frozen custard flavor of the week. And with the heat we have had in the U.S. this summer, you're going to want to have something nice and chilly. You can find the nearest Super Chicks to you online at Superchicks.com. And remember, it's ChickswithanX.com. On this episode, the Running Utes get into the injunction game as they add a fifth-year guard out of the Missouri Valley. We'll let you know who and what it means for the rest of the roster. Plus, the Utah women's basketball team releases its non-conference schedule. Is there anything to be excited about? And all the latest from the college basketball landscape, including judges' rulings, players facing pressure, and much more. But first, I wanted to remind you to follow the podcast over on X at Runin' Hoops Pod and on Instagram at Runin' Hoops. You can rate, review, and subscribe to the show over on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get a podcast. We're at 79 five-star ratings, which is outstanding. But I know there are 21 brave souls out there that can help push it to 100 or more. That is, of course, on Apple Podcasts. So if you listen to Ye Old Podcast on Apple, go ahead and hit that five-star rating button and review if you are willing and able. Let's try to get it to 100 by the time the season tips off on November 2nd against Long Beach State. And of course, you can support the show over on Venmo at Runin' Hoops. Well, in a rare move, the men's basketball schedule actually got released before the women's basketball schedule, but now we have both. And so let's dig into who the Utah women's basketball team will be facing this upcoming season. They're gonna tip things off with an exhibition at home on October 18th against the University of Idaho. So that will be your first chance to see this new group of players together. Then they will officially open the season on November 3rd against Eastern Washington. So that's a Tuesday, the day after the Running Utes open their season. They'll turn around three days later and host Colorado State on November 6th. That's the back end of a home and home with the Rams. CSU did make the NCAA tournament last year, so that's a good quality team coming into the Huntsman Center, albeit a high mid-major type. Three days after that, they will host Bethune Cookman on November 9th. They will then hit the road on November 13th for another back half of a home and home as they travel up to Boise to take on Boise State and former Utah women's basketball player Grace Foster, who is now in Boise. Despite being 25-9 last season, it doesn't look like BSU played in the postseason. Utah will return home for two more, hosting Houston Christian on November 13th and Utah Valley on November 16th. They're going to spend the early part of the Thanksgiving holiday week in the Bahamas, not a bad place to be that week, playing two games at the Baja Mar MTE on November 23rd and November 25th. Thus far, we don't know who else is in the field for that event, but those are very likely Utah's only chances to face other Power 5 opponents in the non-conference schedule. But we'll just have to wait and see when Baja Mar releases that information. They're going to wrap up the non-con with four straight at home, beginning with in-state foe, Utah State on December 1st, then Denver on December 6th, Green Bay on December 12th, and finally Montana on December 15th, which is also a return game of a home and home series. So nine games at home, one on the road, and two neutral with no new Power 5 home and home games after having teams like Washington and Northwestern inked for home and home series. Obviously, they've played some again high mid-majors home and home the last couple of years, but nothing new on the schedule in terms of those home and homes against high major opponents, quality opponents. Very interesting to see that. I quote from Skim Mulkey, who is kind of the women's basketball equivalent of Trilly Donovan, who is a bit of an insider with the finger on the pulse of what's going on in college hoops, uh, specifically women's college hoops. And she says, quote, B minus graphic, the non-conference schedule, close quote. Now, for those who haven't seen the graphic, they went with a travel theme, having each game featured as kind of a postage stamp. Very nice, could have done a little bit better, but it was nice enough. But yeah, I think all in all, it's more of a soft schedule than it is a non-soft schedule, that's for sure. And I'll reiterate what I said about the run and ute schedule. I'm not sure this prepares them for a league in the Big 12 that they haven't really cracked or threatened to crack the top five in these first two seasons. So I don't love that, that's for sure. But it will certainly give this team a chance to gel here with so many new pieces and young talent. So maybe, maybe for this roster, this schedule is precisely what they need. Still, there's just not much to get excited about in terms of the home schedule or even games to tune into in the non-con. So we'll just have to see how they do. I would imagine that the expectation inside of that facility is that they have a very stellar non-conference record and non-conference performance and hope that those two games in Baja Mar deliver for them in a big way. Well, one of the new pieces that Utah fans will get to see is going to face her former team in the non-con, and that is Elise Livingston. Let's check out her get to know you feature over on the Utah Women's Basketball part of the athletics website. Quote: Livingston, a Millville, Utah native, joins the Utes after spending two seasons at Utah State. In her time with the Aggies, Livingston averaged 27.2 minutes per game while shooting 35.8% from the field, 33.5% from three, and 83.9% from the free throw line. She averaged 7.2 points per game, 2.8 rebounds per game, and 1.5 assists per game. She also recorded 53 starts in her time at Utah State. Why did you choose Utah? When I came on my visit, it just felt really good. All the coaches were welcoming. I didn't meet any of the girls before I chose to come here, but everything just felt right. What is something in your basketball game that you are really proud of? I'm a selfless player. I want what's best for the team, so I love to share the ball. What's something in your basketball game that you want to get better at? Rebounding. I'm small and a guard, so I need to work on better positioning and angles. And finally, did you ever think that you'd end up at the University of Utah? Literally never. We are a BYU family. My older brother played football there and his wife played volleyball there. My younger brother is committed to play football at BYU. But the second I came to campus, it just felt right to be here and to be a Ute. Close quote. So there you go, some Utah women's basketball to lead off the show. Now, turning over to the men's side. We continue to see injunctions for players from the class of 2022. And as such, we continue to see commitments, and we've now seen Utah benefit from that as well with the addition of Trey Campbell. More on Trey in a bit. So as of this recording, we've seen judges across the country grant injunctions to players so that they can play this season. And teams with roster spots and money to spend after missing on a few other guys are quickly scooping up those players. Here are some notables that will potentially be in the Big 12 this season. RJ Godfrey, who I believe was most recently at Clemson, he has signed with Arizona. Former Texas Tech forward Darien Williams has relanded in Lubbock, as has UCF transfer Jamaica Stilbell. That combination will certainly bolster Texas Tech's front court while JT Toppin rehabs from his knee injury and would certainly make it so that Toppin wouldn't have to rush back. That is for sure. MJ Collins is slated to transfer from Utah State to Cincinnati with his head coach, Jared Calhoun. Shendell Weaver goes from Texas to Houston. And Brennan Lorient is returning to West Virginia. West Virginia has a really talented but all new roster there with Ross Hodge. And so Brennan Lorient coming back certainly would give the Mountaineers a little bit of stability and a culture guy to help build with this new roster. And I think that's the list for now. Let me know at Run and Hoops Pod over on X if I've missed any. As you can imagine, I'm working through my Big 12 preview here. And so this complicates things to say the least, because we don't have complete rosters just yet. School doesn't start at some schools for a couple more weeks. And so I'm sure there's going to be a lot more roster shuffling before it's all said and done. One more name I'll throw in here. The Cougars whiffed on a ton of guys this offseason, and their football coach is currently out begging for promised resources that haven't come to fruition, but they've got money for hoops four days. And it looks like Kohler may be a guy they add late in the process. And that would be a huge boost for them because he's a guy that is all heart, all effort, and is virtually coach-proof. So they can't screw him up if they tried. BYU had another player make a list that I want to talk about in a second, but for the second time in a few episodes, I quote from UConn coach Dan Hurley on the state of college basketball. Quote, at some point, you've got to care about the sport, especially if the sport has given you a lot. Doing things to hurt the sport so that you can win a little bit more, you've got to look in the mirror a little on that. The art of what we do has been cheapened a little bit. You can put together teams that can compete and not have to identify and develop young talent. Now you can screw up high school and portal recruiting, not have a very good team, and now start plucking from a group of players in August and put together a team. Now let's unleash 80 players into the sport in the first week of August. We can't go on like this. And anyone who acts like it's great, it's good for college basketball, they've already taken the stance that this is what they've wanted, and now they're just defending their position. It's total chaos and not sustainable. Close quote. Okay, so on the one hand, I understand what Dan Hurley is saying here, and obviously he's calling out a few of his fellow coaches here, coaches who he outrecruits and in some cases probably outspends, though certainly not all of them. But this whole notion of caring about the sport, I mean, I don't think anybody fully cares about the sport, or they would work as hard as they possibly can with the NCAA and the powers that be to fix the things that are wrong and say things like, Look, I'm willing to give here if you're willing to give there. Of course, so much of this is self-inflicted by the NCAA, putting rules into place that they have zero ability to enforce, such as the age-based eligibility, which was originally referred to as five for five, and they even had to provide clarity on that. Now, to his final line, it's total chaos and not sustainable. I suspect most people agree with that. But as long as there are lawyers and agents willing to sue, and as long as none of the sides are willing to come together for a solution, teams are gonna spend, spend, spend, and it will be sustainable, even if for only a few teams. So I totally get what he's saying, and I actually agree with him to a large extent, but you gotta look in the mirror with some of your colleagues, and I think it's a very easy thing for somebody like Dan Hurley to say because he recruits the way that somebody might if they were shooting fish in a barrel, right? Like he doesn't have to beg players to come to Yukon, and and he's deserves he deserves that, right? He's he's built that program into what it is, and he doesn't have any of the challenges that a lot of other coaches who are trying to build programs have. And so it's just an interesting thing to hear somebody that's really at the top of the game make that comment because there are some advantages and things that are very easy for him that are not so easy for other coaches, and so it's probably more difficult for those coaches to step back and be like, you know what, I'm not gonna sign a fifth-year guy that's just been granted eligibility, because as he said, you want to win a little bit more. And if and if signing one of these guys is the difference for some of these teams between, say, uh a five or a six seed or a four or a three, that could mean an extra weekend in the NCAA tournament, more NCAA tournament credits, success, contract extensions, etc. So I get what he's saying, but you know, I think it's I think they're in a tough spot. And until these people all decide they want to come together for the betterment of the game and not just the betterment of themselves or their program, this is where things are going to stand. All right, turning towards the upcoming season, we are in full list mode at this point in the summer. And Tristan Freeman over at Hoops HQ has published his list of 10 players with the most pressure entering the upcoming season. And two Big 12 players are on that list. First up, Tyron Stokes, quote, being the number one overall prospect automatically applies a ton of pressure to a player, but there are unique circumstances with Stokes. One was the longtime recruitment he had that involved Kentucky, along with playing for coach Bill South, who could be on retirement watch as the early expected number one NBA draft pick in 2027. Stokes not only needs to have a big individual campaign, but also lead the Jayhawks to a deep run in the NCAA tournament, close quote. And I would add parenthetically that how poorly things went for another top prospect in Darren Peterson in Lawrence, like it just feels like everybody involved in the Kansas program needs this thing with Stokes to go well and go really well, like second weekend of the NCAA tournament really well. And then we have Rob Wright, the third, down in Provo. Quote, Wright posted plenty of stats in his first year at BYU, but entered the portal this offseason. He did decide to return to the Cougars, but without six foot-9 freshman star AJ DeBanza, the nation's leading scorer, it's going to be on Wright to lead the team back to the NCAA tournament. Whether the junior ball handler is capable is the key question. Close quote. And I'll once again add here parenthetically that Wright has to prove that he's more than a stat stuffer as he enters the season as the clear head of the snake for BYU. And look, there's some pieces that are coming together there in Provo. And again, if they add a guy like Jackson Kohler, that's going to take a ton of pressure off of Rob Wright. But I do think that there is some pressure on both him and Kevin Young heading into this season. They've spent big, they've recruited big, they've boasted big, and they just don't have a ton to show for it here in two seasons. And so the pressure squarely moves to Rob Wright the third this upcoming season. Elsewhere in the Big 12 are Rocky Mountain rivals, the Colorado Buffaloes, have released their non-conference schedule for the upcoming season, which begins with a common opponent between us and them, and that is Abilene Christian, whom they will face on November 2nd in Boulder. They will then immediately head to San Diego to take on San Diego State in the Bill Walton Classic on November 7th. Other notables on the schedule for the Buffs include a trip to Providence for the back end of a home and home, as well as the Accrochier series in Palm Springs, where they will open with former Pac-12 foe Stanford and Kyle Smith, and then get either St. Louis or Grand Canyon. They will host their in-state rival, Colorado State, on December 5th and play Purdue in Indianapolis on December 19th. So certainly not a murderer's row of a 14-game non-conference schedule there, but definitely some interesting games mixed in there with rivals and former rivals and very likely a top 10 team in Purdue to help them get ready for Big 12 play. All in all, not a bad slate for Tad Boyle's buffs. All right. When we come back, Utah landed a commitment that should help bolster its backcourt, what it means, and trying to make the roster math work, we'll have that for you right after these words from one of our sponsors. Hey everyone. Well, if you can believe it, we are rounding the corner towards back to school time. In fact, many of you listening have probably sent your kids back to school already. I know I did. And if you've got a husband, dad, or son that you want to outfit with something fresh this school year, check out Fly Fit Tees. 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Well, in this era of college basketball, you never know what a given day will bring. And for the running newts this past Tuesday, it brought a commitment seemingly out of nowhere from Northern Iowa guard Trey Campbell, who previously was out of eligibility, but thanks to the lawsuits and injunctions, is currently poised to play another season of college basketball. And he might just do it in Salt Lake City. I quote from the on three transfer portal account on X quote UNI transfer Trey Campbell has signed with Utah per Pete Nakos. Campbell averaged 10 and a half points, 3.8 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game last season, close quote. Now, obviously, when this kind of commitment happens, everyone who reports on or talks about Utah athletics rushes out to get the same information, and I'll be no different. So, first, let's get the numbers and the data on Trey Campbell. He's a 6'4 guard, weighs about 195 pounds, or at least that was his playing weight this past season. He's from Cedar Falls, Iowa, and he just finished up a four-year playing career at Northern Iowa, where he started 132 out of 134 games in that four-year time span, averaging 30 minutes per game. And for his career, he averaged 10.5 points per game, 3.8 rebounds, and 2.5 assists, shooting 43.1% from the field and 33.7% from deep. Now you'll notice that those numbers sound very similar to what you heard in the tweet. Those are his career numbers, not his numbers from last year. So on three got that ever so slightly uh wrong. Last year he averaged 13.7 points per game, 3.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists, and 1.7 steals per game, leading the Panthers in points, assists, and steals per game. He shot 43.8% from the field and 34.5% from deep, which was down from about 42% from deep the previous season, but he took roughly 30 more attempts last year. He also shot 77.9% from the free throw line, which was actually his low watermark for his career at Northern Iowa. He'd been in the 78, 79, 80% range prior to last year. During Northern Iowa's four-day run through the Missouri Valley basketball tournament, which the league affectionately refers to as Arch Madness, Campbell averaged nearly 18 points per game, which included a 23-point effort in the championship game, vaulting the Panthers into the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2016, and they did it as a sixth seed, with Campbell being named as the MVP of the Missouri Valley Conference tournament. Other accolades that Campbell received this year include being named to the second team All MVC as well as a member of the all-defensive team in the league. So what are the running uts getting with Trey Campbell? Well, obviously, they're getting some serious experience in their backcourt. Again, 132 out of 134 possible games started, which can only benefit the team. I found a couple of blurbs on him as well. This first one comes from Maxwell Baumbach over at NoSealingsNBA.com, who mentioned Campbell in his NCAA tournament preview of the game between Northern Iowa and St. John's, a game in which Campbell would go on to score 14 points in the loss to the Red Storm. Quote, I also dig 6'3 Trey Campbell, the rare senior who stayed in one spot for all four years in this day and age. He's a career 37.8% from three with parking lot range, and he gets after it defensively, 3.1 steal percentage, 1.0 block percentage. He's also really improved his playmaking over the years after coming to college as an undersized wing. Campbell doesn't get downhill much and struggles at the rim, though. The Utes have had a solid portal and arguably one of the most talented international recruiting classes in the country. Trey Campbell fits a glaring need with athleticism and defensive prowess on the wing. Our model has Campbell as a high major starter where he is likely to play a meaningful role in Utah's rotation, close quote. And yet another comes to us from KJ Scouting at KJ Scouting over on X. Quote, there haven't been many more intriguing senior point guards in college basketball this season than 6'4 Northern Iowa point guard Trey Campbell. Campbell was a standout on one of the best mid-major teams in the country this season, where he averaged 14, 4, and 4 on 44, 35, 79 splits while also playing a major role in his team winning the Missouri Valley Championship. Campbell's mix of mid-range scoring, shooting, passing, pace, and off-ball craft all help him be an extremely effective point guard. Campbell was one of the most efficient mid-range scorers in the country this season, where he shot 55% on mid-range shots on 88 attempts. And he also has an extremely efficient floater where he shot 47%. Campbell was also an impressive catch and shoot threat from deep, where he shot 37% on catch and shoot threes on 155 attempts and has the ability to shoot off the move at a high level. As a passer, Campbell has strong passing vision on the court and rarely makes mistakes. Using his pace and handle to get to his spots and make a play, Campbell is also an effective defender who's good at being at the right spots off ball on the defensive end and is good at reading passing lanes for steals. Campbell, Braden Smith, and Tonde Yesfu were the only players in college basketball this season to make 53s, 50 mid-range shots, and have a steal percentage of three. Close quote. And I also had friend of the podcast Rocco Miller reach out to me and tell me that he was probably his favorite Utah edition in quite some time and that he's a good leader and winner. So some very high praise for this edition for the running uts, provided that no injunctions get overturned. One last thing I'll add here is that most of the stats guys love, and I mean love in all caps, guys who move up to the high major level from the mid-major level that were good players on good teams. And you certainly have that here with Trey Campbell. Now, in addition to the experience that Trey brings, I like that he gives Utah some nice flexibility in the backcourt where you can play him at the point guard or the two guard, and you can have both he and TJ Birch in there to really clamp down defensively. And maybe this slides a guy like Taysom Chapman to the bench where he comes in and is able to knock down some shots versus being a secondary ball handler in a starting five rotation. So it definitely gives them some real positional flexibility there in their backcourt. Now, another thing that was not lost on anyone with this commitment is that it has pushed Utah's roster number to like 16. And does that mean that Finn Schott isn't coming? Or what's the deal there? Well, our guy Steve Bartle over at KSL Sports provided us some clarity on the Finn Schott situation. Quote, for what it's worth, Finn Schott was recently on campus for his official visit before returning home to Austria. Why it hasn't been finalized and announced is a weird deal, but he's still expected to join the team here soon. Close quote. So all signs continue to point to Schott joining the team here before school starts on the 24th. Now, what does that mean for the rest of the roster? I think at this point, the short and long answer is I don't know. Now, I believe you can go over the roster limit as long as only 15 players are getting NIL money, but I wouldn't want to speculate on who that might be outside of who we've already discussed here on the podcast. Now, I will say, one of the side effects of all these fifth-year guys getting approved and added to rosters was always going to be guys getting pushed down the bench or nudged out of programs altogether, which speaks a little bit to what Dan Hurley was talking about. Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen at Utah, but I'm not saying it isn't because we just don't know at this point. And that's annoying because I've been wanting to do a one through 15 or 1 through 16 or 17 ranking of each player on the roster for an episode here. And I can't do that if it's all in flux. But I definitely think that Trey Campbell, if he's able to play, slides into the top five. That is for sure. All right. I want to finish up here with a couple of responses to my previous episode ranking the Big 12 coaches. This comes to us from Zachary Hansen at Zachary Hansen82 on X, who says, quote, thank you for the podcast. It was a good listen. My issue with some of the national pundits analysis, coaching and preseason rankings is not that Utah is low. I get that. It's the lack of context. As far as outlook goes, if you only go off of the transfer portal, guys, there's no star power. The star power is coming from overseas, which feels like a GM trying to manage resources by not overpaying in the transfer portal. Moneyball has to be the approach. In terms of coaching, it was a really bad year. He took over late. I thought that was a mistake. And his recruiting class suffered. He was the guy the alumni wanted both hiring cycles. He's highly respected. And I think this season is the one to evaluate him on, close quote. Well, first of all, Zachary, thank you for the compliment. Very much appreciated that. Hope you don't mind me reading your uh responses here on the show. I totally agree with you that the lack of context here really hurts these types of discussion. And what's frustrating to me is that they're willing to provide that context elsewhere. They just weren't willing to either put in the time or effort or context specifically on Alex Jensen and the Utes. They just want to slot them into the 16 spot and not really think about it. The Moneyball comment, though, is also very interesting, right? We've heard Mark Harlan say that the budget for hoops went way up this offseason, but I definitely think that the money being spent is being spent on that overseas talent versus the transfer portal talent or even the high school talent, which I think will likely be the case here for Utah until there's more of a proof of concept than Alex and Wes Wilcox certainly have. Now, in terms of this year being the year to evaluate him on, I definitely think that whatever happens this year will certainly provide us with a much more fair look at Alex the coach, Alex the program manager, Alex the motivator, all of those things. What I don't like, and I'm not saying that this is what you're saying, because it's not, but it's the overall attitude that seems to be pervasive up on the hill that was just so willing to have last year be a complete throwaway. And look, if they show some real improvement this year and they build some momentum, it won't really matter, you know, if they're back, especially if they're back in the NCAA tournament, say next year. But all in all, I just don't think that any team in this day and age can afford to say, yeah, this season doesn't matter. And my concern is that we're slowly drifting in that direction for year two of the Alex Jensen era as well. And given the relative radio silence from the program this summer, it's hard to know what progress, if any, is actually being made on the court. But yeah, thank you for the comments. And as always, folks, you can hit me up at Run and Hoops Pod and share your thoughts with me on all things Utah hoops. What are your expectations for Alex Jensen here in year two? Do you have a mailbag question? Whatever. Hit me up over on X at Run and Hoops Pod. Now, speaking of engagement, here's another thing that was interesting. In response to Utah's official schedule release, friend of the podcast John Leone said that he thinks Utah could surpass or come close to surpassing its 10-win total from last year in the non-conference schedule, which speaks to a belief in the roster and the coaching, which many of us have, but also to the weakness of the schedule, which we've talked about as well, which led me to reply and say that I've spent way too much time thinking about where I'd place Utah's overunder win total for the upcoming season, which I'm not ready to share just yet because I haven't settled on it. But it's really interesting to get into this exercise, right? You've got 32 games, 14 non-con, 18 in your league, nine home, nine away with the league, and then coming off of a 10-win, two-win Big 12 season. Where do you place a reasonable expectation of victory? I think I'm ultimately going to land somewhere in the 16, 17, 18 and a half area because you'd have to hope that they don't step on a rake in their 10 true bye games in the non-con and then hope that they get one or two of those power four games as well. Then what's your expectation in Big 12 play? Do you double your win total to four? Do you triple it to six? Like, what's a reasonable expectation here for year two? We all think Alex can coach, we all think they can build a roster, we all think the talent level has increased significantly over last year's 10 wins and two wins in the Big 12. So, what's the win total jump gonna be? And what would you be comfortable setting as an over-under win total and putting your money on for the run and mutes? Fascinating, fascinating discussion. And again, going back to the roster conversation, we're not gonna know what a reasonable win total expectation for Utah is until their roster is completely set and all of the other rosters in the Big 12 and on their non-conference schedule are set as well. So more to follow on this. But again, good conversations happening all over the social media sphere about the run and youths, especially as we have football on the horizon and a lot of focus being on football again, which it naturally should be at this time of year. But it's always good to see some run and youths talk mixed in there as well. But that's gonna do it for this episode of the Run and Hoops podcast. I want to thank you as always for listening. Please give me a follow over on X at Run and Hoops Pod at Run and Hoops over on Instagram. Please, please rate, review, and subscribe to the show. Share it with your friends, do whatever you have to do to help me get over that 105-star rating mark as we build towards the season. And of course, you can support us over on Venmo at Runin' Hoops. But until next time, I'm Andrew Crowley. This is the Runin' Hoops podcast. And as always, go use